A whole lot more inexpensive to drilling holes in the cymbals and installing rivets, these extremely easy to install Cymbal Bacons sound fairly close to a cymbal with real rivets. They produce a pretty good sound. I bought 3 and they attach securely to the wing nut wings that attaches the cymbal to the stand. If you play loud you would want to take the wing nut off and insert the Cymbal Bacon to the cymbal stand and re-attach the wing nut.